Episode 83
Phase Six Predictions
Episode 83: Phase Six Predictions: Can the MCU Make a Comeback?
Host: @marcdiette
Guests: Terrence Jordan & Pete Robson
Marvel's cinematic universe is at a pivotal moment as the hosts discuss the upcoming Phase Six slate, which includes highly anticipated projects like "Fantastic Four" and "Avengers: Doomsday." The conversation delves into the successes and missteps of previous phases, highlighting the excitement surrounding Marvel's future direction, especially with the introduction of the X-Men.
With a blend of nostalgia and skepticism, the Casual Nonsense crew reflect on how the franchise has evolved since its inception and the importance of strong casting in revitalizing iconic characters. They express hope that the upcoming films will recapture the magic of earlier phases while acknowledging the challenges of keeping audiences engaged amid an ever-expanding universe. The episode is filled with insightful commentary and playful banter, making it a must-listen for any Marvel fan eager to understand what lies ahead.
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All right, so here we are.
Host:We're back on the casual nonsense podcast.
Host:I got my.
Host:My co host for the double take with us today.
Host:I thought I'd bring Terrence back over to the show.
Host:So, Terrence, hello.
Host:How's it going today?
Terrence:Good.
Terrence:The crossover event we the world didn't know it needed.
Host:That's right.
Host:And I see you've brought with you the mystery man himself, Mr.
Host:Pete.
Host:What's up, dude?
Pete:Oh, not much.
Pete:I'm happy to be back.
Pete:I'm looking forward to this.
Pete:I got a lot to say.
Host:I love how, like, we're just talking and, like, all of a sudden you put the microphone on, you turned into Barry White.
Terrence:Professional.
Pete:Oh, man.
Pete:I guess that was subconscious.
Host:Soothing sounds of pt.
Terrence:Yeah, it's like the.
Terrence:The late night playing the slow jams for you.
Terrence:This one goes out to all the lovers out there.
Pete:You're all going to have a good night.
Host:You got a career in dj, man.
Host:I think that might be.
Host:That might be something for you.
Pete:Oh, I got to.
Pete:I've got this voice.
Pete:Okay.
Pete:I got to maybe practice with it, and I didn't know.
Pete:I'll hone it.
Terrence:That's what we're doing here.
Terrence:We're setting you up for future success.
Pete:All right, all right, all right, all right.
Host:So today we're changing gears a little bit.
Host:So normally, Terrence, you and I are talking about movies.
Host:I guess we're not really changing too many gears.
Terrence:I was told we're still talking about movies today.
Host:You're right.
Host:You're right.
Host:I guess we're not just discussing one particular movie like we do on the double take.
Host:So what I want to talk about today, and I wanted to have someone just to kind of listen to me ramble about shit and then also add your ideas.
Host:Recently, Marvel came out with their slate of movies coming up for the next couple years, and some TV shows dabbled in there, I think, you know, sprinkled in for flavor.
Host:I just wanted to kind of talk about some of those things and see where we think Marvel's going and do we like the direction.
Host:Right.
Terrence:State of the mcu.
Terrence:Right.
Host:The state of the mcu.
Host:That's the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Pete, if you weren't sure of the acronyms.
Pete:State of the Marvel Cinematic Union.
Pete:Can we maybe.
Pete:No.
Terrence:Universe.
Pete:No, but State of the Union.
Terrence:Addressing it.
Terrence:I like it.
Pete:Trying to.
Terrence:Okay, maybe it's a dicey time in politics.
Terrence:We don't want to turn off half hour relationships.
Terrence:I don't know.
Pete:We can.
Pete:What sideline that side.
Host:Whatever we'll put a pin in it.
Pete:Put in a pin.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:Yeah.
Pete:Okay.
Host:All right.
Host:Let's just start with the good Marvel stuff.
Host:Right.
Host: , you know, Marvel started in: Host:Iron man, obviously one of the.
Host:Still to this day, in my opinion, one of the top five Marvel movies.
Host:The first three phases of Marvel, the Infinity Saga.
Host: So that ran from: Host:Right.
Host:Like, you agree this was a good time for movies.
Host:Like, there was maybe two or three stinkers, but the rest were pretty solid, right?
Pete:Absolutely.
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:Go ahead, Pete.
Terrence:You lead us off.
Terrence:What would you think about him?
Pete:Yeah.
Pete:Found on all cylinders.
Pete:Like, you felt that it was working up.
Pete:It was all new, too.
Pete:It's like, oh, you watch Iron man, then they sprinkle in, like, what?
Pete:Oh, I.
Pete:Maybe Hulk or I'm going to see Thor.
Pete:Like, at the end, you're like, all these other characters are coming.
Pete:You see it's building and the movies are good.
Pete:You see it coming, and then it comes to Avengers.
Pete:You're like, oh, this is great with the movie magic, you get everybody together and it's what you want.
Pete:It's like when you're a kid, you know, you're the video game, all the good guys fighting all the bad guys, and you can see it leading.
Pete:And then they're taught.
Pete:They hint Thanos.
Pete:And it just.
Pete:I don't know, it just.
Pete:Everything was working well together.
Host:Building everything.
Terrence:Yeah, I think that's the key, people, because each of these movies was great on its own.
Terrence:Very entertaining popcorn movies.
Terrence:You had big stars playing big roles, and you could watch one of those movies and love it.
Terrence:Once it got into it a little bit, you kind of had to have seen the previous ones.
Host:Yeah.
Terrence:So, like, you needed to know about all the things that had come before, all the different.
Terrence:Even just like the Stingers at the end of these movies.
Terrence:And, like, there was a lot of lore and a lot of things to keep track of.
Terrence:You almost need to do a little bit of homework.
Terrence:But they really built on themselves, and it was very cohesive how it came together.
Terrence:For Avengers.
Terrence:Even in, like, individual movies where you get them together, like Civil War, you had most of them getting together.
Terrence:And it started off on as, like, origin stories, and then it built up to, like, this huge universe.
Terrence:Saga of Thanos and whole comic book.
Host:The whole world at stake, like, sequences.
Host:You know what I mean?
Host:Like, this comic book arcs that they tried to get in.
Host:I mean, you have to change them.
Host:You can't do them perfect.
Host:Right.
Host:But but you're right.
Host:They do enough in each movie.
Host:Like, great marketing.
Host:Because now, like, you had to know they're going to introduce characters that are going to kind of overlap into other movies.
Terrence:It was really well thought out.
Terrence:Like, you had to.
Terrence:You couldn't just fly by the seat of your pants to do this.
Terrence:Like, Kevin Feige laid it all out, laid the foundation of all this.
Terrence:And, like, the pieces all fit together great.
Terrence:And, like, the way it ended with Infinity War endgame, like, they landed the plane, which was pretty impressive.
Pete:If you don't plan it out, you see what happens.
Pete:It's called the DC Universe.
Pete:Yeah, that's what happens.
Host:Also true.
Pete:So, yeah, Feige.
Pete:That's how Feige.
Pete:Right.
Pete:I mean, he's like.
Pete:If he was thinking about 10 years of this, I was just amazing.
Pete:Like, how much money have they given him?
Pete:They should give him like $3 billion.
Host:He's.
Host:He was the right guy for the job, I think.
Host:And, you know, he.
Host:I want to sit in that war room with his whiteboard with, you know, all the pins on the.
Host:On the yarn.
Host:You know what I mean?
Host:I want to see where he's leading stuff, too, because I'm wondering.
Host:I bet there's so many things that didn't make the cut, you know what I mean?
Host:Because they got to find the right directors.
Host:And the casting, I think, was essentially perfect almost every movie.
Host:I mean, with the exception of maybe a handful of villains, maybe that didn't pan out.
Host:But, you know, as far as the main cast in Phase One, I mean, they nailed it.
Host:They absolutely nailed it.
Terrence:And I think.
Terrence:I think MCU has kind of gotten a reputation of like, you don't need stars in these roles.
Terrence:Like.
Terrence:Like the.
Terrence:Like Captain America is the star.
Terrence:Not necessarily Chris Evans or whatever.
Terrence:But I don't think that's really true.
Terrence:Or at least I don't think that's where it started at.
Terrence:Like, these wouldn't have become these huge parts without Robert Downey Jr.
Terrence:Being Iron Man.
Terrence:Like, if they didn't get these right, it wouldn't have become the all encompassing thing that it ended up becoming.
Terrence:You know, so I think the.
Terrence:The casting and the people that were actually in the movies deserve a little more credit than they get.
Host:I could argue that these movies made them more to what they are as well.
Host:Right.
Host:I mean, they were stars.
Host:Yeah.
Host:But.
Pete:Well, Robert Downey had been kind of down and out.
Pete:You know, he was huge star.
Pete:And then he kind of had his little scandal, and I don't think he had done much.
Pete:And then he came back as Ironman and now, you know, it became like this.
Pete:The megastar again.
Host:Yeah, there's a lot of behind the scenes on that because Favreau fought for Downey to be that role because the studio didn't want him.
Host:They wouldn't insure it because they didn't trust that he would, you know, not relapse or whatever from, you know, he had some addictive addiction problems.
Host:But Favreau fought for him.
Host:And as we know, whatever Favreau touches turns to gold.
Pete:And Favreau.
Pete:I mean, let's shout out to Favreau like, he had a huge weight on his shoulders.
Pete:If Iron man crashes and burns, like, do they just say, oh, forget this?
Pete:Or do they try.
Pete:Do they keep going with it and say, maybe we got it.
Pete:Recover.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:I mean, just hit the home run right off the bat and it was like, okay, we can do this now.
Pete:And then they kept it going.
Pete:But what if that had been a complete stinker?
Host:I think there's some parallels to Favreau to, like, a Spielberg, like, at the start of the career, because, you know, we talked about Spielberg on the Jurassic park show when he did Jaws, like, once Jaws came out, like he wrote his own ticket.
Host:And I think with Favreau, you see that especially at least through Disney, because he was able to, you know, Iron man was what it is.
Host:He does number two, and then he steps back.
Host:But now the movies that he puts out, I mean, he gets into the Star wars universe.
Host:Like, he's doing.
Host:He did like, a Lion King version, which probably wasn't the greatest option, but Disney's like, they trusted him with it, right?
Host:And then he goes into the Mandalorian show, and this dude had four or five episodes written out before they even approved it.
Host:He was just ready.
Host:So he was making it one way or the other.
Terrence:He's honestly, like, one of the biggest Hollywood success stories ever.
Terrence:Like, he started, wasn't it like, Swingers was kind of like his own little independent thing, trying to sell it, trying to get it off the ground.
Host:There's a movie before that called.
Host:I think it's.
Host:Before that, it's called Made.
Host:It's also him and Vince Vaughn.
Terrence:Okay.
Host:He's a little goofier.
Host:Like, Swingers has a bet they're better characters and.
Host:But same idea.
Host:Like, those two are in it.
Host:It's.
Terrence:Yeah, but like, he was nobody to start with, and now he's like this huge force in Hollywood.
Terrence:Like Marvel Star Wars.
Terrence:Like, we did Chef on our podcast on the Double Take.
Terrence:Like, that's a great movie that he just kind of piloted the whole team.
Host:He's humble, too, which is what I like about him.
Host:He's, you know, if you ever listen to him, like, on a podcast or a talk show or something, like, he's just a cool dude.
Host:Like, I want to be happy.
Host:Yeah, that's.
Host:Well, yeah, I guess.
Host:Wouldn't you be right?
Host:Yeah.
Host:I just want to hang out with this guy.
Host:But, you know, maybe someday.
Host:Maybe Pete will bring him over with them sometime.
Pete:Yeah, I'll talk to him, Sammy.
Pete:He's pretty busy these days, but appreciate it.
Pete:I feel like I could.
Pete:I could work something out.
Host:I appreciate that.
Host:All right, so phase three ends with Endgame, which, you know, fantastic, right?
Host:I mean, I don't know about you guys.
Host:Well, although I think I know the answer.
Host:I'm in the movie theater for pretty much every movie of Phase One.
Terrence:Yeah.
Host:When these come out, this is like, I'm getting my tickets ahead of time, if I can.
Terrence:Yeah, usually opening night.
Host:Opening night, for sure.
Host:Like, that's 100%.
Terrence:It was like a whole communal experience.
Terrence:Like, I love going to movies anytime.
Terrence:I just.
Terrence:I went to a movie yesterday afternoon where there was five old people in the theater with me, and that was it.
Terrence:Like, it wasn't, like, exactly a shared experience, but these Marvel movies became, like, events.
Terrence:It was like you put them on your calendar months ahead of time.
Terrence:You planned it out with your buddies.
Terrence:You got the tickets right when they went on sale.
Terrence:Like, I didn't.
Terrence:I wasn't one that quite went as far as, like, dressing up with Thor's hammer and stuff.
Terrence:But, like, I was.
Host:How come you looked at Pete when you said that?
Host:Is that what Pete was talking about?
Host:He's got the hammer and the shield in the other hand and no room for.
Pete:My costumes are so good, nobody ever knows it's me.
Host:So then we get into.
Host:We get into the phase four, right?
Host: So this started in: Host:I believe it kicked off with the.
Host:Was it the third Ant man movie?
Host:You know, and it just.
Host:I don't know.
Host:It just didn't feel the same.
Host:Like, we'll get into some of the TV shows that led into these things here, right?
Host:So they're calling Phase four five, and six the Multiverse Saga, which you say, okay, you know, Phase four, You got, you know, the Ant man movie in there.
Host:You had the Doctor Strange.
Host:The Spider man movie was good.
Host:You know that.
Host:I mean, any Spider man movie is good.
Host:I mean, that was actually.
Host:I love when they brought in the other Spider man, that was probably the highlight of any movie beyond Endgame, in my opinion.
Pete:Oh, that was.
Pete:Yeah, absolutely.
Host:I mean, that was, that was so good, right?
Terrence:Yeah.
Host:But, you know, so what they got listed now.
Host:They're planning movies right now.
Host: They had phase six going into: Host:There's a lot of questions out there because with the success of Deadpool and Wolverine, like, what are we doing with the X Men?
Host:Because in the midst of all this, Disney bought Fox.
Host:Fox, which gives them the rights to every X Men character except, I think, a couple of randoms, Right.
Pete:Well, I was the Marvels.
Pete:I mean, we know it's been hinted at X Men coming.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:Like you have.
Pete:Did you see the Marvels or no?
Pete:Yeah, you saw it.
Pete:Well, I mean, at the end, right?
Pete:I mean, spoiler alert.
Pete:Cover your ears if you haven't seen it.
Pete:But we see Beast, so we know, like, yeah, X Men are coming.
Pete:They're heading that direction.
Pete:But I guess it's like, how and can they do they pull Hugh Jackman back in?
Pete:Because, I mean, I, I want to see Hugh Jackman till he's at least 65 doing Wolverine.
Pete:According to Ryan Reynolds.
Host:He'll be, he'll be that till he's 90.
Pete:Yeah, you know, just the age him, it's fine.
Pete:Just de age him.
Host:Like, I mean, he's still got it, man.
Terrence:We saw Deadpool, Wolverine.
Terrence:Like, he's.
Terrence:Yeah, he's still got it in him.
Pete:And you could even do that angle of like somehow, you know, the X Men, but this is still an older Wolverine are like, oh, yeah, he's, you know, in the.
Pete:He says, oh, I'm 200 years old.
Pete:You could even go that angle.
Pete:Or they could de age him a little bit, I don't know.
Pete:But just he's so great of as being.
Host:And he loves playing the character too, which is great.
Host:I don't know if he likes having six months of eating nothing but, you know, chicken and beans.
Host:But, you know, that's not my problem.
Host:That's not my problem.
Host:They pay 20 million, you pay me 20 million, I'll eat chicken and beans for six months.
Pete:Yeah, you get your own personal trainer doing all that.
Pete:I mean, sure, I'll.
Pete:I'm all over that.
Pete:I'll do it.
Host:You know what I'm saying?
Host:They make it, make it sound so easy, like we could ever pull this off.
Host:Right.
Host:Every two days I'm like, I quit.
Host:I'm out.
Host:This movie sucks anyway.
Host: no more movies coming out in: Host:The next movie is.
Host:We got the new Captain America, Brave New World.
Host:So that's coming out in February.
Host:That looks like it's okay.
Host:I think this is going to be kind of, in my opinion, I think, sort of a linchpin.
Host:The next couple movies that are coming out, because you're bringing in Harrison Ford now, who's taken over for.
Host:Was it William Hurt, that.
Host:That recently passed away.
Host:So he was General Ross and he's going to be the Red Hulk.
Host:I don't know.
Host:Spoiler alert, but he's in the trailer.
Host:Did you watch the Winter Soldier and Falcon Show?
Pete:Yeah.
Host:So you kind of have to watch that.
Host:I thought that show, when it first came out, I thought it was really good.
Host:Like, there was some good episodes, but then there was some crappy ones, like the whole Marvel TV shows.
Host:I guess we'll dive into that in a minute, but you probably need to watch that to go forward with this, especially with the next movie.
Host:So Thunderbolts is the next one that comes out that's coming out in May of next year.
Terrence:Yep.
Host:That actually, I'm excited for that.
Host:I like a lot of the characters in that.
Host:That's going to be kind of a mixed match.
Host:Like a.
Terrence:Like a Marvel Suicide Squad, almost.
Host:Yeah, something like that.
Host:Yeah.
Host:Like, none of them have cosmic powers.
Host:They're all like street level abilities.
Host:Except maybe Winter Soldier.
Host:Right.
Host:I mean, they're just.
Host:They're just good at shooting and fighting.
Host:Yeah.
Host:I mean, they're introducing.
Host:I think I forget the character's name.
Host:Like, Bob is in the trailer, but he's the.
Host:The rumor he's somebody.
Host:But then you're gonna get into the movie that I think everyone's waiting for, which, of course, is Fantastic Four.
Host:Right.
Host:This is scheduled in July of next year.
Host: o this is three movies now in: Host:February, May, July.
Host:There's your three movies.
Host:So this is gonna be probably the tent pole, I think, is what they're.
Terrence:That feels like the new beginning to me.
Terrence:Like.
Terrence:Like Thunderbolts.
Terrence:I'm looking forward to Captain America.
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:But, like, it feels like, all right, we're back now.
Terrence:Like, if they nail Fantastic Four, it's like MCU is back.
Terrence:The.
Terrence:The previous phases have not been super popular.
Terrence:I've liked the movies for the most part individually, but they haven't had that same cohesive quality that all the other ones did.
Terrence:Like, they haven't had characters we care about as much and we want to see more of, and they haven't had a storyline to kind of tie them all together as well.
Terrence:But I feel like Fantastic Four, it's like they can get going now.
Terrence:You got X Men on the horizon beyond that, and, like, you got major characters with big time casting again that I'm excited about, and, like, they have a chance to kind of set things right again and kind of reclaim their previous dominance.
Host:So Fantastic Four is going to be the start of Phase six.
Host:Right.
Host:So the Thunderbolts ends Phase five, hopefully on an uptick.
Host:I have a feeling that movie could end up being a letdown, but it's not going to be for me because like I said, I like three or four of the characters in there.
Terrence:I feel like it's gonna kind of be its own thing.
Terrence:Like, I.
Terrence:I don't need it to factor in so much in, like, some larger saga.
Terrence:Like, I think that's gonna be a fun hangman.
Host:But they've taken, like, six characters from, you know, four or five of the shows, so hopefully they do something cool with it.
Host:I love Florence Pugh.
Host:Like, if you see her in, like, Black Widow and then she shows up again in Hawkeye, like, she's just awesome.
Host:Like, give me more of her.
Host:I don't care what she's doing.
Host:Like, just put her in there.
Terrence:And then I'm gonna make you watch Midsommar.
Terrence:I know you haven't seen that one.
Host:I haven't.
Host:But you know what?
Terrence:She's amazing in that.
Host:If she's in it, I'll check it out.
Host:You know what I mean?
Pete:But that's an interesting one.
Host:What's the dude's name that played Hopper and Stranger Things?
Host:He's.
Host:Oh, yeah, Crimson Red guy.
Terrence:I can't think of his name right now.
Pete:Yeah, yeah.
Host:But, you know, what's his face?
Pete:Yeah, the Hopper.
Pete:Yeah, yeah.
Host:So he's.
Host:He's in this.
Host:Like, if you watch some of the trailers, like, he's just a funny character because he's.
Host:He's living his glory days, saying he used to fight Captain America.
Host:Like, and it's just.
Host:It's just cool stuff.
Terrence:The Russian accent going.
Host:Yeah, yeah.
Host:So then what Marvel's doing.
Host:So that comes out Fantastic Four, by the way.
Host:I kind of skipped back to Thunderbolts.
Host:So Fastic Four.
Host:Fantastic Four.
Host:You got everybody's favorite dad, Pedro Pascal.
Host:Right.
Host:I mean, what to say about this guy?
Host:Vanessa Kirby.
Host:You familiar with Vanessa Kirby?
Host:She was in Mission Impossible.
Host:Hobbs.
Pete:David Harbor.
Terrence:Oh, David harbor, of course.
Host:There you go.
Terrence:That's Hopper.
Host:David.
Host:Thank you.
Host:Thank you for the fact check.
Host:Joseph Quinn, also Stranger Things, by the way.
Host:He was Eddie.
Host:I had to look that up.
Host:I was like, who's this?
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:Rocking out to Metallica on the Upside Down.
Host:Great scene.
Host:Great scene.
Host:Scene.
Host:And then, of course, Eben Moss back rack.
Host:Am I saying that right?
Terrence:Yeah.
Host:So if you ever watch the Bear, Pete, you watch the bear.
Pete:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Terrence:Cousin.
Host:He's cousin Richie.
Host:Fucking best.
Host:Best lines in that movie come from Richie.
Host:So he's great.
Terrence:He's been appearing in more and more things.
Terrence:He's one of those guys that, like, I am always happy when he shows up.
Terrence:Did you watch Andor?
Host:Yeah.
Terrence:So I knew you must.
Host:Yeah, yeah.
Terrence:He was great in that.
Terrence:He was in that.
Terrence:He had a small part, but that Jennifer Lawrence movie, the no Hard Feelings, that comedy was out maybe a year or two ago.
Terrence:Small part, but he was funny in that.
Host:I know the movie.
Host:I haven't seen it.
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:I just.
Terrence:He's.
Terrence:He's a really good actor.
Terrence:He could do comedy, he could do serious.
Terrence:Like, when I heard he was cast in Fantastic Four, I was like, oh, that's like the cherry on top they got there.
Host:Cool.
Host:So what they're doing for this movie, too, they're bringing in a female version of the Silver Surfer.
Host:I don't know if that's in the comics.
Host:I'm not familiar.
Host:But then they're also bringing in someone to play Galactus, so they're trying to introduce these.
Host:These features.
Host:So, like you said, the kickoff phase six.
Host:Let's bring in some people.
Host:The star power that I just mentioned for the Fantastic Four.
Host:I mean, if you're signing Pedro Pascal, you're gonna be like, you gotta figure he's gonna be in, you know, four or five movies.
Host:Like, back in the first phase, they were signing people to, like, nine movie contracts, just in case, just to say, well, I'm gonna lock you up, and then whatever that is.
Host:And I think the person they didn't lock up was Hugo Weaving.
Host:He played Red Skull, and he was like, yeah, I'm not coming back for that.
Host:So they brought someone else in for the other movies, but whatever.
Host:So, anyway, so that comes out in July.
Host: led right now for February of: Host:So they haven't figured out what's going.
Host:They haven't announced what's going there yet.
Host:So there's a gap there, which could be X Men, potentially.
Host:Doctor Strange 3 is another thing that they're talking about.
Host: ,: Host:Dr.
Host:Doom.
Host:You excited for that, Pete?
Pete:Yeah.
Pete:It's going to be weird to see him not as Iron Man.
Pete:I mean, because his face is going to be same face.
Pete:I mean, they're not going to, like, he's not going to be in a ton of makeup where he looks a lot different.
Pete:Right.
Pete:So that's going to be kind of interesting to see him back.
Pete:Like, it might be a little weird.
Terrence:But I was wondering, when they announced it, like, is it going to be.
Terrence:Because they've got this whole multiverse thing going.
Terrence:Is it going to be like a version of Tony Stark that turned bed and became Dr.
Terrence:Doom?
Terrence:I saw that Downey has come out and said that's not the case, but I don't really trust anything I hear.
Terrence:Like, Right.
Terrence:I was a big Game of Thrones fan, and all they did was lie to the media about, like, Jon Snow being dead or, like, everything.
Terrence:Like, I've learned to just kind of tune all that out.
Terrence:So I don't know what direction I'll go, but I'm excited.
Terrence:I thought that was a pretty cool reveal.
Terrence:I did write down, because I know we're going to be talking about that it would be completely impossible in today's day and age, but, like, if there was a way they could have kept that under wraps and then that movie came out and, like, once Dr.
Terrence:Doom was revealed in the movie and it was downy, people's heads would have just exploded.
Host:Could you imagine?
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:Like, I don't think there's any way you could possibly pull that off.
Terrence:Like.
Host:Well, part.
Host:I think part of not doing that is the hype.
Terrence:Yeah.
Host:You know what I mean?
Host:Which.
Host:It's working because he was the tentpole actor, I think, in the first three phases or whatever.
Host:In this movie, though, you have Dr.
Host:Doom is a Fantastic Four villain, so you're going to have the Fantastic Four cast in there as well.
Host:And it's.
Host:I mean, it's.
Host:It's an Avengers movie, is what they're calling it.
Host:I don't know which Avengers are coming back.
Host:You know, I mean, from the original.
Host:I mean, some are dead, some are not in the contract.
Host:So it'd be curious to see what Avengers show up in this.
Terrence:I feel like they'll be pulling together the more recent movies, like, trying to get, like.
Terrence:Even though they haven't really.
Terrence:Like, you might see, like, Shang Chi and those types of things.
Host:Yeah.
Terrence:Thor could still be there, but, I.
Host:Mean, Paul Rudd doesn't age.
Host:You can always bring him in.
Host:Right.
Pete:And at the end of what.
Pete:Which One at one of the Avengers.
Pete:Right.
Pete:They had the next kind of group where they're all standing there.
Pete:Didn't they have, remember one of the ends?
Pete:God, I can't remember.
Pete:But it was like, oh, this could.
Host:Be the next Captain America's in there.
Host:And he's like, assemble.
Host:Or something like that.
Terrence:Yeah.
Pete:And it was kind of like the next tier of like, oh, this is going to be the next Avengers.
Host:That was like Ultron or something.
Host:Or not the Civil War that did that.
Host:So that was before Endgame.
Host:So when Endgame ended, Iron Man's dead, Captain America is old.
Host:So.
Host:Yeah, I think you're right, though.
Host:They'll.
Host:You take what's out there and see who sue comes in.
Pete:Yeah, that's gonna be interesting that Avengers.
Pete:Because, I mean, the Avengers movies were, I mean, all pretty much awesome.
Pete:Maybe you could argue Age of Ultron wasn't.
Pete:That wasn't as good as the other ones, but the first one and then Infinity War and Endgame, you know, epic.
Pete:So if, if they can do Avengers anywhere close to those, it'll be worth, like the wait.
Host:Well, the good news is the Russo brothers are back to direct it.
Host:Right.
Host:So they.
Host:Yeah, they're the ones that did Endgame and Infinity War.
Host:Right.
Host:So these guys, I mean, and they did Civil War actually too.
Host:So they're able to put that cast together and just really nail it, I think.
Terrence:Yeah, that was a great choice because, I mean, they've done their best work with Marvel.
Terrence:Like, I know they've done some Netflix movies since then that weren't really well received critically or commercially, and Marvel has suffered without them a bit too.
Terrence:Whether I don't know if you can just reduce it to, oh, Russo brothers aren't in charge anymore.
Terrence:But since Endgame, which was the last thing they directed for Marvel, it's been a bit downhill.
Terrence:So, yeah, pretty good that they're getting the gang back together.
Host: vengers Doomsday, which is in: Host:I don't know.
Host:The rumor was they might be filming those kind of back to back, you know, Peter Jackson style maybe, which would be nice even though, because they're only a year apart.
Host:So I don't know.
Host:Do you film and then send everybody home for six months and then try to get everyone back, like, who knows?
Host:But also directed by the Russo brothers.
Host:So they're gonna do both of those movies.
Host: ,: Host:We're gonna get Spider Man 4.
Host:Currently on the slate.
Host:So another Tom Holland as Spider man, which is good.
Host:They haven't possibly.
Terrence:The other ones I've heard rumored, maybe Andrew Garfield.
Terrence:That'd be pretty cool.
Pete:Kind of cool.
Pete:That would be nice.
Host:They've opened the multiverse up at this.
Terrence:Point, so they seem to be open to anything.
Terrence:Like I said, they're even leaving the door open that, like, Tobey Maguire could do his own Spider man again, like, where it's just him.
Terrence:So I'm down for all this.
Terrence:We haven't really talked about our favorites or anything, but, like, Spider Man's my guy.
Terrence:Like all the Spider man movies.
Terrence:That's my favorite MCU stuff.
Terrence:He's always been my favorite superhero, even dating back to, like, the Tobey Maguire Spider man before there really was an mcu.
Terrence:So Tom Holland, I feel like, is the perfect Peter Parker.
Terrence:So as long as they keep that rolling, like, I'm happy.
Host:They're talking about another trilogy, so they're talking about three more with him.
Host:So this would be number four of that.
Host:But we'll see.
Host:I think.
Host:I think like any other actor, he comes out and he says, well, the story is going to be right, you know, in the right situation, he'll do it.
Terrence:Yeah.
Host:But.
Pete:Well, at some point, I feel like they can't be like, he's in high school.
Pete:He's going to have to be.
Pete:I guess they started to say, like, he was about to go to college, but at some point it's like, all right, he's either aging up a little.
Terrence:Yeah.
Pete:In university.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:Like, because he's already 23, four something.
Pete:I mean, he's.
Terrence:Is that all he is in real life?
Terrence:He's got to be more than that.
Pete:I think when he started, he was like 19.
Pete:He actually was a teenager, I think, when he started.
Pete:But yeah, he's like, maybe 25 by now.
Pete:So it's like you can only get so old before you still look.
Pete:Yeah, I mean, he still looks like a kid, but, like, he might get.
Terrence:To the point where he's just ready to move on too.
Terrence:Like, I saw he and Zendaya, they're both going to be in the next Christopher Nolan movie.
Terrence:I was pretty excited to hear that.
Host:Okay.
Terrence:So, yeah, he might be going on at some more, quote unquote, serious projects.
Pete:Okay.
Pete:After Spiderman, we can't start talking about Christopher Nolan moves because then just, oh, it's getting me too excited.
Host:That's completely off the rails.
Host:Right.
Terrence:Yeah.
Host: , July of: Host: Marvel movie for November of: Host:So we don't know what that could be just yet.
Host: hich is going to be in May of: Host:Beyond that, they.
Host:They have movies scheduled for.
Host: They have random dates for: Host:That's a little far out from my blood.
Pete:Right.
Pete:I feel like everything's been in flux since, like, they rebuilt some of these things.
Pete:You know what the show Daredevil, they kind of, like, rebuilt.
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:They've shifted a lot of these dates around, too.
Pete:Blade.
Pete:They've, like, rebuilt, or they announced it, what, five years ago that Ali was.
Host:They got rid of the director again.
Host:So they don't.
Terrence:Yeah, it's kind of on the shelf now.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:So all this stuff, they do follow.
Terrence:Through and make it.
Pete:But, yeah, everything's kind of.
Pete:It's.
Pete:A few of them are set, but it's all, like, mixed up, I guess.
Pete:They're really doing some rework.
Pete:And then, like, probably Covid didn't help push some stuff back.
Pete:And they were going to do Kang, and we know how.
Pete:With Majors.
Terrence:Who.
Pete:Majors has been awesome, but, like, now that's a problem.
Pete:And so they've really been there initially.
Pete:Yeah, I did, I think.
Pete:And he was in.
Pete:He played.
Pete:He was in Loki.
Host:Yep.
Pete:God, he was really good in Loki.
Pete:Like, he was Loki, Season 2.
Pete:His character and how he played him, it was.
Terrence:Yeah, I like him a lot as an actor, but, yeah, he's just made himself too problematic with his personal stuff.
Terrence:So, yeah, I think it was the right call to move on from that because it was just.
Host:That was part of the.
Terrence:Too much of a sideshow.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:Because it was supposed to be the Kang Dynasty.
Host:Yeah.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And then you don't want to have.
Terrence:To be answering those kinds of questions when you're trying to hype up your, like, billion dollar movie.
Host:Yeah.
Host:Disney knows that.
Host:Yeah.
Pete:Let's say you wait a little bit and people forget.
Pete:Because people forget about everything.
Pete:But then, like, oh, the movie's about to come out.
Pete:Oh, and then he's actually, like, done something horrible.
Pete:He raped or murdered or whatever.
Pete:And then you're like, oh, this movie's about to come out, and it's with this guy who's in the news for all the wrong reasons.
Terrence:I was like, the Flash with dc.
Terrence:Like, was Ezra.
Terrence:What's his face?
Host:Ezra Miller?
Terrence:Yeah, Ezra Miller.
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:He had all kinds of weird stuff going on, so it Was kind of.
Host:Hard to promote kids or something, wasn't he?
Pete:Like, he sounds like he's got serious, like, actual mental problems, like, not joking.
Host:Oh, yeah, Okay.
Pete:I, I don't know, but I've heard some weird stuff.
Host:Yeah, I didn't mind him as a Flash.
Host:He had thought he run awkward.
Host:Ran awkward.
Host:He had that weird run thing.
Host:But otherwise I, I thought he was okay.
Host:Like, he was entertaining as a.
Host:I didn't want.
Terrence:I, I, I mean, I'm glad we're talking about MCU today because I've been kind of out on the DC stuff.
Terrence:I'm gonna give it another shot now that James Gunn is taking over.
Terrence:I trust him.
Terrence:But before that, like, I probably have not even watched half of the DC movies.
Pete:DC should stop making movies for five years and then say, we're starting from ground zero and we're gonna do what.
Host:They'Re doing right now.
Terrence:I mean, weren't they, like, a bigger comic book property than Marvel?
Terrence:But Marvel's just like, totally.
Pete:Oh, Superman.
Pete:Batman and Superman.
Pete:Yeah, probably the two.
Terrence:Pretty sure they were the most successful comic company and Marvel just took their lunch money.
Host:But they have those two.
Host:But then, then the drop off is.
Pete:The drop off is huge.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And now Marvel took over because they, they did it right.
Host:I think Spider man was probably the biggest Marvel comic book character is what I would guess.
Host:And then, you know, now here we are in this day and age.
Host:It's probably still Spider Man.
Host:Maybe some Deadpool, you know, I mean, pick a, yeah, pick a, pick an actor.
Host:I mean, Iron man was, it was a B comic in the comics.
Terrence:And yeah, he's a lister now because of what they've done.
Pete:Yeah, exactly.
Pete:When these things first came out, I was like, I don't really know much about Iron man, but you see it.
Pete:You're like, oh, Iron man is awesome.
Pete:And then Thor, I was like, okay, I'm going to go in.
Pete:I've heard it, Chris.
Pete:I mean, Hemsworth, like, oh, Thor is awesome now.
Pete:And then even all these other characters, they just were able to elevate them all to be like, oh, these are all awesome characters.
Pete:And everybody did well.
Pete:And I mean, Spider man is probably still a guy, but all these other ones, I'm like, oh, I'm.
Pete:I like these now, these are good.
Pete:Whereas like you said dc, it's like, all right, maybe Wonder Woman.
Pete:But after Superman and Batman, it's like, all right, Flash.
Pete:Like, eh.
Pete:We're like, the.
Host:What they made, they made Aquaman cool.
Host:Like, he wasn't cool in the Comments.
Pete:They made him cool.
Pete:But I, I wish I had not seen the first one.
Pete:I want those two hours back of my life.
Pete:I didn't think it was that great.
Pete:I really did.
Host:You like, did you see the second one?
Pete:No, I haven't seen it.
Host:Okay.
Host:Okay.
Pete:I don't know if that's controversial, but.
Host:I just, I thought the first one was okay.
Host:I like him as an actor, but.
Pete:Yeah, he's, he's pretty cool, dude.
Terrence:I don't think he'll be canceled for not having seen Aquaman.
Host:Yeah, you'll be forgetting.
Terrence:No, it's coming.
Terrence:Gonna be knocking on your door.
Pete:There might be all the Aquaman fans listening.
Pete:Like, who is this guy thinking?
Host:Yeah, we're just saying you podcast or talk about Aquaman.
Host:Anyway, so the TV shows that are coming out.
Host:So do you watch the what ifs?
Host:Like, did you watch any of the first season one?
Pete:Yeah, yeah.
Host:So season two came out last Christmas.
Host:I don't know if I knew.
Pete:I haven't seen season two yet.
Pete:Season one was kind of cool.
Pete:There were a few.
Pete:I have some nitpicks, but like, it has some good stuff.
Host:Same with me.
Host:I watched season one, season two came out, I didn't care.
Host:And season three is coming out at the end of this year around Christmas this year.
Host:Maybe I'll go back and watch season two.
Host:Like, I think when, when season two came out, I was probably a little like Marvel exhausted.
Host:You know what I mean?
Terrence:I think that this right time for me to say this.
Terrence:I've been, I haven't really watched really any of the newer Marvel shows.
Host:Okay.
Terrence:Like I mentioned before, like how like they built upon themselves like the movies and they built towards Avengers and everything.
Terrence:And you kind of had to start doing some homework.
Terrence:You had to know things like watch everything leading into the next movie.
Terrence:You had to know 40 different things.
Terrence:I think it's the reason the MCU kind of took a step back for everybody, or most people at least, was there was just too much.
Terrence:Like it kind of caved in on the way to content.
Terrence:Yeah, yeah.
Terrence:Like you and I know they've said they're only going to do like two shows a year now, like they're scaling back because it's like almost like too much of a good thing.
Terrence:It's like, I like the mcu.
Terrence:I like all these different superheroes, but like, I like watching other shows and other movies too.
Terrence:And it's like if you're a full blooded MCU fan, that's like a full time job practically to keep up with all these different shows and all these different things, and, like, I feel like it's just too much.
Pete:I feel like years ago I was saying that of, like, all right, am I going to get tired of this so far?
Pete:I mean, because, like, up through phase three, Ungain, it's like, oh, no, More, more, more.
Pete:But then I kept thinking, like, all right, are they going to stumble?
Pete:Are you going to get tired of it?
Pete:And I think maybe they had this dip and it was like, all right, this is just too much.
Pete:Like, I don't need to know about every C and D level character, doesn't need his or her own show.
Pete:Like, stick with the good stuff.
Pete:You can explore some things and do some.
Pete:But, yeah, it was just too much.
Terrence:I think it made it less.
Terrence:Like, the big thing about it was we said it was an event.
Terrence:A new Marvel movie came out, and it's like, we gotta go.
Terrence:We gotta be there opening night.
Terrence:There's less of an event.
Terrence:It's like, kind of like the NFL is super popular because they just play once a week, baseball.
Terrence:If you miss a baseball game, there's 162 of them a year.
Terrence:Like, not a big deal, you know, like, nobody has to be at every one.
Terrence:So, like, they kind of watered it down and made it.
Terrence:It felt a little less special each time something new came out.
Host:Well, you talked about, like, the, like, the B and C characters.
Host:You know, the problem was, I think their casting was too good.
Host:Right.
Host:So now you set the bar high.
Host:Yeah, yeah.
Host:So now you get these other characters that are just making not, like, cameos.
Host:Right.
Host:So an example is, like, if you go back to the original Daredevil and then they bring in John Berthel will play Punisher, and he's supposed to be a side character in there, but he was so fantastic at birth.
Terrence:All rules.
Terrence:Yeah, that's what I mean.
Host:Like this.
Terrence:Where do you go from there?
Host:Yeah.
Host:So they give him his own spin off, and now they're bringing him back and you're like, I want more Punisher.
Host:I want more.
Pete:Yeah.
Host:I mean, maybe a bad example, because that Daredevil show was probably the best thing that Marvel ever put out for a TV show, even though it was Netflix.
Pete:I think Dare.
Pete:I think Daredevil.
Pete:Original Daredevil is probably still the best show.
Terrence:Yeah, I watched that.
Terrence:I was into that for sure.
Terrence:I'm looking forward to.
Host:We all agree on that then.
Host:I mean, that's just a fantastic thing.
Host:But that's what happens.
Host:Like, even if you watch like.
Host:Like, Jessica Jones did You watch all of them.
Host:The villain in the first Jessica Jones.
Host:I don't know the actor's name.
Terrence:David Tennant, right?
Pete:Oh yeah, he was good.
Host:Fantastic villain.
Host:You're like, I want more of this guy.
Host:Like, he was a f actor and he crushed it and you just, you don't expect that.
Host:So you're like, oh, well, who's this next people?
Host:What's going on over here?
Host:Like, even in.
Host:I think that was the problem is that they casted almost too well.
Host:So we got great shows.
Host:But then people were like, oh, what about a spin off of this?
Host:And a spin off of this?
Host:And now the watered down effect takes place because now they're trying to make it too big and here we are.
Terrence:It shows how tough it is though, because like all those initial phase one Marvel movies, like, Downey was a big name, but like you said, Pete, he'd been kind of laying low for a while and that was kind of his rejuvenation.
Terrence:But like the other ones, they weren't big stars when they came in.
Terrence:Like, Chris Evans wasn't a big deal.
Terrence:Chris Hemsworth wasn't a big deal at that point.
Terrence:Like, but they nailed them and they fit the characters well and they became big stars with it.
Terrence:And then they've done it with the more recent ones and they just, they haven't quite hit as hard.
Terrence:Like they had.
Terrence:Like, I thought Shang Chi was pretty good and Simu Lu was the.
Terrence:With Shang Chi, but like he didn't like pop.
Terrence:Like he's like an A list star now off of that movie, you know, like, so it's not like they just took like Brad Pitt and George Clooney and Matt Damon and put them in there.
Terrence:Like, these guys weren't a listers to begin with, but because they did so well, it landed.
Terrence:And then they haven't quite stuck it as much recently.
Terrence:So.
Terrence:Be interesting to see the going forward.
Terrence:Like, I think that's why it was such a big deal.
Terrence:Fantastic Four, there was so much hype surrounding like just the announcement of who was going to be casting.
Terrence:And people were like, yeah, looking for clues and fan, fan casting and everything.
Terrence:Like, and then like they've got these big names that people are excited about.
Terrence:So I think it's going to land.
Terrence:I hope it's going to land, but at the same time, like, I know it wasn't Disney that did it, but the Fantastic Four movies that have been out before, kind of not so great.
Terrence:So it's a cool property.
Terrence:It's, it's a good comic book.
Terrence:But they haven't really gotten it right on screen yet.
Terrence:So the hope is that they will this time with this big group.
Pete:I didn't even see the most recent.
Pete:With what, Michael B.
Pete:Jordan.
Pete:That one.
Pete:Like, that one I didn't see.
Pete:I feel like the jump from Fantastic Four 1 to 2.
Pete:I thought 1 was not great and thought 2 was actually really good.
Pete:Or, you know, I was like, oh, I'm very pleasantly surprised.
Pete:But, yeah, the other two are just.
Pete:They've missed.
Pete:So they're trying, like, the fourth times.
Pete:The charm here.
Pete:Oh, Fantastic Four.
Pete:Fourth time's the charm.
Pete:There we go.
Pete:Maybe this.
Terrence:I saw the lightning bolt go over your head.
Pete:Yeah, you could you see it in my brain.
Pete:I'm like, oh, I just thought of something here.
Pete:Oh, I'm excited to say it.
Host:That was very meta.
Host:Yeah, there you go.
Pete:Yeah.
Host:Yeah, there was.
Host:So then what I'm thinking about is what they're gonna do for, like, the X Men, right?
Host:Because I think we're all excited to see what they do with X Men.
Host:And, like, I mean, they gotta recast everybody, hopefully.
Host:I mean, I think we all agree Wolverine's awesome, but dude's like 55, so you wonder how long he can play this character.
Terrence:But if they don't stick with Jackman, it's going to be like, it's tough shoes to fill.
Host:It's a letdown.
Terrence:You can't just not have Wolverine.
Terrence:Like, he's.
Terrence:You have to have Wolverine if you're doing X Men.
Terrence:But, like, that's.
Terrence:That's going to be a tough one.
Terrence:All of them, I mean, like.
Terrence:Like Xavier, like, that's.
Terrence:These are, like, iconic roles.
Pete:James McAvoy, he's not going to be.
Terrence:But that would be a.
Terrence:That would be an interesting choice because he's been in the, like, days of future past and stuff, but.
Pete:Well, if they're.
Pete:If they're trying to, like, they throw back to Spider man, they brought them and they figured it out.
Pete:So maybe they figured out and they kind of bring some of those guys in.
Pete:Like Fassbender.
Terrence:Yeah, There's a lot of directions.
Host:Fast, better.
Pete:And McAvoy could be, like, if they're sort of rebooting it or bringing it in.
Pete:They're.
Pete:They're younger.
Pete:They're about the right age.
Pete:They're not, you know, like, I mean, Ian McKellen and what, Patrick Stewart.
Pete:Freaking amazing.
Pete:But, like, they started out kind of on the older side, so depending on where they want to go, you start off slightly younger, but they're not, like, in their 20s, but they're, I don't know, 40s.
Pete:So kind of that right age to be sort of elder statesman.
Pete:But they're not, you know, super old.
Pete:Yeah, but then it's like, because Magneto has a very specific origin story.
Pete:Like it's from World War II.
Pete:So I don't know how like stories.
Host:Again, like, that's what I'm saying.
Host:You have to skip that.
Host:Like they did with the Spider man with Tom Holland.
Host:Like you've done the origin story twice, so they didn't do it for this one.
Host:Like, how do you go back?
Terrence:I'll be interested to see that.
Terrence:I don't know that they might, they might put you a little forward in time where they might be like, all right, this is our Disney's first crack at X Men.
Terrence:Let's start it off the way we want to.
Terrence:And you're going to get to know these characters from the beginning or, I don't know, they could do a lot of different things.
Terrence:They're probably grappling with that.
Pete:And I absolutely want Hugh Jackman, like always his Wolverine, because he's awesome.
Pete:He's awesome.
Pete:But when we think like, oh, who could replace it?
Pete:You think when you did the Joker, you're like, oh, is he Fledger going to be able to do this?
Pete:And he freaking crushed it.
Pete:So if you can, if you could possibly do that with Wolverine, it might be like, oh, we can find somebody else.
Pete:But it is hard.
Pete:I mean, Hugh Jackman's awesome.
Host:It's possible.
Host:But I think right now, like, our, like, we just saw him, you know, again, and we're like, okay, if they didn't bring him back for, for Deadpool and they brought someone else in, we'd be let down.
Host:But we'd accept it a little bit because it's Deadpool.
Host:But.
Terrence:And he got a fitting end with Logan.
Terrence:Like, he kind of closed out his whole story.
Pete:What, the cavalry?
Host:The cavalry.
Host:And I mean, don't get me started.
Terrence:But yeah, like, if Hugh Jackman comes back, like, you can't have him be older than Xavier and like storm is a 25 year old actress playing her.
Terrence:And like, it just isn't going to make a lot of sense, you know.
Host:So it doesn't match up.
Terrence:Yeah.
Host:So when they, when they announced the X Men, maybe we'll, we'll have to circle back.
Host:It might be a while before that happens, but we can get specific to X Men because there's so much, there's so much history and lore in those to see what they do.
Host:So Overall, then, are you excited for Phase six, or you kind of wait and see?
Host:Like, Pete, what's your.
Host:What's your approach for this?
Pete:I.
Pete:Looking at Phase six, I was like, okay, I can actually get behind this.
Pete:Like, I.
Pete:There's some stuff coming up.
Pete:And I thought, okay, this is good.
Pete:You know, these things we've already mentioned, like, okay, Fantastic Four.
Pete:All right.
Pete:We got Pedro in there.
Pete:We could see that.
Pete:I know what.
Pete:We don't know when Blade's coming out, but I would like to see that.
Host:As Avengers not coming out.
Host:I think you need to get off the Blade kick.
Terrence:It hasn't been canceled, though.
Terrence:It's just tva tbd.
Pete:There's some stuff coming up that.
Pete:Okay, I'm a little bit excited about.
Pete:There's some stuff that I'm like, okay, I have no idea what this is, and I'll wait and see.
Pete:But, you know, there's.
Pete:There's definitely some things.
Pete:I.
Pete:I kind of want to get into the X Men phase because, like, I always like the X Men.
Terrence:Yeah.
Pete:Like, I mean, Gambit, you know, Rogue, like those original from the cartoon and.
Pete:Oh, God, the cartoon is amazing, right?
Pete:The Cartoon has been.
Host:97 is fantastic.
Pete:It's so awesome.
Pete:But it would be cool to see, like, okay, leave some of the lesser characters from the Marvel side behind.
Pete:It's like, oh, we've done all that.
Pete:We've done every character.
Pete:Everybody had an arc.
Pete:Now we're going to kind of transition into X Men phase of, like, because there's so many X Men.
Pete:There's so many things you could do, you know, you.
Pete:It's just such a big roster and such a.
Pete:There's so much lore and stuff, so it'd be cool to go that direction.
Host:Overall.
Host:Excited for Phase Six?
Pete:Yeah, I think so.
Host:For the movie's purpose of the TV shows, like, we didn't touch too much on the TV shows, but I think that that's going to be kind of a wait and see to see how those look.
Host:I mean, we'll watch them because they're on, but it's like, okay, do we have to watch them to tie into the movies, or are we just watching them entertained?
Host:I don't know.
Terrence:Yeah, like, I'm in for Daredevil.
Terrence:I'm excited about that.
Terrence:The other ones, it's like, wait and see.
Terrence:I haven't really been participating in the TV shows, but if I hear one of them is really good, I'll be in.
Terrence:But Daredevil, I'm definitely let Pete watch.
Host:It first and then give Us.
Host:His.
Terrence:Yeah, it could be the guinea pig.
Host:Yeah, it's hot.
Host:Take.
Pete:Yeah.
Pete:Yeah.
Pete:Well, our Armor wars is that.
Host:That's been pushed back.
Terrence:That's like 27 or.
Host:Yeah, it's still on the.
Host:It's still.
Host:It's not canceled, but it's being pushed back.
Pete:I feel like I saw maybe a TV show, but then maybe a movie.
Pete:I'm not sure.
Pete:Yeah, this Don Cheadle.
Host:There's a little Cheadle on it.
Host:Like, there was Marvel put something out where they flashed to, like, Iron Heart and Wonder man and all these shows that they're putting out in Phase six.
Host:I think only one or two are really in production or past that.
Host:The rest are just kind of slated.
Host:Yeah, Wait and see on the TV shows.
Host:Like, I mean, they'll.
Host:They'll put them out, but I said they do two a year, maybe two and a half.
Host:Whatever.
Host:But we'll have to wait and see what that looks like because.
Host:I don't know.
Host:Like I said.
Host:Don't, Don't.
Host:Don't overkill me right away.
Host:Like, you.
Host:You know, we've dipped out a little bit, and now we're coming back, I think, like we said, with Avengers Doomsday coming in, and you have a chance to really kind of make that push again.
Host:And, like, you know, I think I'm gonna dip my toe in the water this time.
Host:I'm there.
Host:Like, I'm watching them.
Host:Yeah.
Host:It's a matter of my first day.
Host:Or am I?
Host:I'll get to it when I get to it.
Pete:Well, I think they had said, like, they realized they had too much quantity and they're pulling back to say, okay, quality.
Terrence:Yeah.
Terrence:Just diminishing returns.
Host:Just keep Kathleen Kennedy off the Marvel side of the Disney studio.
Host:Keep her.
Host:Let me get her off Star wars, too, but don't let her touch both.
Host:You know what I mean?
Terrence:Where can she go?
Host:She can retire is what she can do.
Host:Oh, gosh.
Host:Anyways, cool.
Host:Well, this was mcu.
Host:This is the stuff we talked about for a little bit, so we can certainly follow up on some things.
Pete:Oh, if.
Pete:When you're about to close up, I'll have just one last thing now.
Pete:Well, if we were closing up, this is off topic, but Chilean sea bass for the goldfish.
Pete:You were right.
Pete:I'll admit it.
Pete:You were right.
Pete:That's apparently a thing.
Host:I'm recording this shock.
Host:Play that back.
Host:That's a soundbite in every podcast going forward.
Pete:There you go.
Pete:Look, I.
Pete:Thoughtful sentence.
Host:Mark, you were right.
Pete:Yeah, Mark, you were right.
Pete:I'M I can admit that.
Pete:I'm man enough to admit that.
Pete:You were right, Mark.
Pete:I doubted you.
Pete:I had my doubts, and then you provided evidence, and now I'm just like.
Pete:I'm.
Pete:I don't know what to say.
Pete:Yeah.
Host:Perfect fit.
Terrence:Fitting into our state of the mcu.
Host:Well, listen, gentlemen, I appreciate you coming back on if you didn't catch it from the beginning, which I know you did, but you find Terrence on the double take.
Host:Pete has made his first appearance on the double take, and I don't believe it's his last.
Host:We'll probably see more of him.
Terrence:We'll bring him back.
Host:Okay.
Host:Terrence says we'll bring you back, Pete.
Pete:Appreciate that.
Pete:Thank you.
Host:All right, everybody.
Host:Well, thanks for listening, and stay casual.
